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Post by Hobb Thu 6 Aug 2015 - 16:32

Here is an great article that summarizes how some trade papers (i.e magazines focused on a single specific profession) are discussing the profits to be made in veterinary medicine. The point isn't to demonize vets but to show show how fucking disgusting the 'healthcare-for-maximum-profit' mentality truly is.

Some of the quotes:
The first study was commissioned from “Big Four” accounting firm KPMG by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Animal Hospital Association, and the Association of American Veterinary Medical Colleges, and was designed to get everybody singing out of the same hymnal as far as raising prices was concerned.

Why was KPMG chosen?

Well, one reason might be that KPMG had already established a lucrative business running around the country explaining to human doctors, medical groups and hospitals how to jack up prices through concerted programs designed to “maximize billing.”

Doctors and hospital managers were told how to maximize testing, how to upcode, how to disaggregate tests so they could be billed separately, and how to choose treatment regimes based on how much money they made for the doctor or hospital.

The fact that much of this advice crossed the line into illegality for which KPMG and its clients were nailed for hundreds of millions of dollars, was not too germane to the veterinary profession. After all, veterinarians operate with little regulatory oversight. And in a world without laws, there are no law-breakers.

The KPMG study was entitled “The Current and Future Market for Veterinarians and Veterinary Medical Services in the United States,” and its purpose was to frame a rationalization for raising vet prices and determining how high -- and how fast -- they could be raised.


"There has never been a clinic that has priced itself out of business," one CPA told a panel of vets. Later, in the same presentation, the CPA noted that "Practices that charge more will make more money and work less hours."

As for the notion that perhaps some clients might not be able to afford a steep price hike: never fear. Income and willingness to pay have no relationship to each other. Or, as one CPA put it, "People can afford anything they want, just not everything they want."

And what if customers complain? Well they should! As this same CPA told his audience: "Peter Drucker said 25% of clients should be complaining about your prices." So if you are not getting a lot of complaints about pricing, then you are not ripping off the rubes enough!

And for God's sake, don't offer discounts to your customers: "Discounts are bad. There is no way you will make that up in new clients. Discounts do not increase client satisfaction and satisfaction is all people remember about their trip to the vet."

In fact, you should be ripping off your most loyal customers the most. "Over the years people pay more if they keep coming to the same practice. Bills can be increased 80 percent between years one and three. Exploit the trust."


Charge more for all services, including the ones that are not needed: "Perform more services and charge more for services rendered."

Do a lot of expensive diagnostic work: "[You are missing opportunities if] lab work is not more than 10% of gross income. It should be more than 30%. You should require all pets to have a preanesthetic [lab] exam. The lab work brings in money and any diseases that are unmasked also bring in money."

Make sure customers know they are just there to pay the bill: "Don't let the client make choices about animal health. Your job is to offer the best only. Use the weight of your authority and knowledge."
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Post by Reb Thu 6 Aug 2015 - 20:01

This needs to stop. This type of advocacy is fundamentally rooted in evil. People who prescribe to these ideas should be put in prison or something. To me they feel like crimes against humanity.
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Post by Reb Mon 10 Aug 2015 - 13:41

This is a relevant article today from the VOCM.

I can't link it properly right now so here is the address

http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=56588&latest=1
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Post by Hobb Mon 10 Aug 2015 - 20:21

The article highlights that "a number of comments are coming in on our story about two pet dogs that died because the owners couldn't afford veterinarian fees - in particular, after-hour rates which are much higher than those charged during office hours." I'll never forget the cost of going to a vet on a Sunday after a nasty dog-porcupine encounter...

In 2015 humans still shouldn't be forced to make decisions weighing 'monetary units v. the life of a loved one'. We are getting to the point where underground medical services will start growing.
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Post by Seth Shadow Mon 10 Aug 2015 - 21:32

The underground cosmetic and medical surgery business is already booming in the US. In all honesty though when I look at services such as veterinarians and dentists all I see is a monopoly, they as a profession offer a very selective Yet very important service that as a profession they themselves are able to manipulate to a T. Even when dealing with doctors you can go to a home clinic or a homeopathic doctor instead of a hospital, but if you have a dying dog or a tooth that needs filling, you're not going to bloody do-it-yourself and there's nobody else to go to Besides that one profession!

Those two examples Are one of the many reasons why I lean towards the government regulating businesses through trade and practice laws. Of course I wouldn't advocate that unless we were Actually talking about a Competent Government....
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Post by Hobb Mon 10 Aug 2015 - 22:49

I have heard of some underground dentistry. See: 'Underground Dentists Thriving in Toronto' or 'Suspected underground dental office raided in Vancouver'. It seems to mostly happen in immigrant communities.

I first head of the idea on one of Brasseye's great 'pseudo-news' skit.


Most of the Brasseye episodes are on Youtube and all come highly recommended.
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Post by Reb Tue 11 Aug 2015 - 1:33

Close to a decade of healthcare experience and years of volunteering at animal shelters...Maybe underground medicine will be my future career.
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