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Syria Attacked by Mad Dog
The topic titles is a reference to the US Secretary of Defense General James 'Mad Dog' Mattis.
There is no way to convey the criminality, stupidity and hypocrisy of the current political age - how can I express the emotion I feel when American anchors are so enraptured at cruise missiles flying off to kill humans that they start start quoting Lenny Cohen! - so I'll let these twitter feeds to the work for me:
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC
https://twitter.com/scotthortonshow
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton
There is no way to convey the criminality, stupidity and hypocrisy of the current political age - how can I express the emotion I feel when American anchors are so enraptured at cruise missiles flying off to kill humans that they start start quoting Lenny Cohen! - so I'll let these twitter feeds to the work for me:
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC
https://twitter.com/scotthortonshow
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev wrote:"That’s it. The last remaining election fog has lifted. Instead of an overworked statement about a joint fight against the biggest enemy, Isis (the Islamic State), the Trump administration proved that it will fiercely fight the legitimate Syrian government, in a tough contradiction with international law and without UN approval, in violation of its own procedures stipulating that the Congress must first be notified of any military operation unrelated to aggression against the US. On the verge of a military clash with Russia.
Nobody is overestimating the value of pre-election promises but there must be limits of decency.
Beyond that is absolute mistrust. Which is really sad for our now completely ruined relations. And which is good news for terrorists.
One more thing. This military action is a clear indication of the US President’s extreme dependency on the opinion of the Washington establishment, the one that the new president strongly criticised in his inauguration speech.
Soon after his victory, I noted that everything would depend on how soon Trump’s election promises would be broken by the existing power machine. It took only two and a half months."
[posted on to Facebook by the Russian PM]
Syrian Prime Minister Assad wrote:President Bashar al-Assad’s office said the strike was “foolish and irresponsible” and “revealed its short-sightedness and political and military blindness to reality”. It said the government would redouble its efforts against rebel groups after the strike, adding: “The disgraceful act of targeting a sovereign state’s airport demonstrates once again that different administrations do not change deeper policies.”
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CBC wrote:
Trudeau's comments in New York on Thursday that there were "continuing questions" about who exactly was responsible for the attack proves Canada has been "completely out of the loop" on developments in the region. Trudeau said Thursday the UN Security Council should launch an investigation into who was behind the use of the deadly nerve toxins.
But there have been phone calls from 'Mad Dog' Mattis and Trump himself since Trudeau made those comments Thursday.
Canada was briefed in advance of the U.S. missile strikes against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's chemical weapon capabilities Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday.
The prime minister said he spoke with U.S. President Donald Trump Friday morning and voiced his support for the air strikes directly.
Trump has gained some backing from Canada and England but the French and German response has been notably tepid. Germany called the American act “understandable,” but withheld any endorsement, and France did not venture even so far as that.
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At this point, i think its time to stockpile useful medications, and start prepping the apoca-closet.
<sigh>
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Right now the best hopes are those crazy theories that this was all done to intimidate the Chinese PM who Trump was hosting, or that this is all part of some Trump-Putin charade.
There are also reports that Russian is telling Assad to "take one for the team" and if there are no more missiles strikes this could deescalate.
On the other side are the reports that Russia just sent a note to the US saying that they will no longer work to co-ordinate "deconfliction" between US and Russian airplanes in Syrian airspace. This means that further intrusions could lead to open US-Russian aerial battles.
Russia's had a year full of increased sanctions, assassinated diplomats, downed civilian aircraft and terrorist attacks close to home. The goal of the West seems to be to back Russia into a corner where it will dump Putin, abandon Ukraine to the neo-nazis and Syria to the jihadists.
There are also reports that Russian is telling Assad to "take one for the team" and if there are no more missiles strikes this could deescalate.
On the other side are the reports that Russia just sent a note to the US saying that they will no longer work to co-ordinate "deconfliction" between US and Russian airplanes in Syrian airspace. This means that further intrusions could lead to open US-Russian aerial battles.
sputnik.com wrote:
Russia appears to have drawn a "red line" by suspending the air safety agreement, which Moscow and Washington reached in October 2015 to prevent aerial accidents in Syria's crowded skies. By doing this Russia probably shows President Donald Trump that proceeding on the path of escalation will pose a threat to the United States," the analyst said.
The ministry said that it had summoned a US military attache in Moscow to confirm the suspension of a memoransum on flight safety in Syria. Moreover, the Russian Ministry of Defense sent a note on the issue to Washington.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201704071052425538-russia-mod-us-channel-syria/
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704071052416052-russia-red-line-syria/
Russia's had a year full of increased sanctions, assassinated diplomats, downed civilian aircraft and terrorist attacks close to home. The goal of the West seems to be to back Russia into a corner where it will dump Putin, abandon Ukraine to the neo-nazis and Syria to the jihadists.
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This situation in becoming a clusterfuck.
We could only wish our elites we Illuminati playing 4-dimestional geo-political chess. The US has had 5+ different positions on Syria over the last week. Half of them if vigorously pursued would lead to nuclear war with Russia.
The fact that USA is incoherent AND belligerent is not good sign. The fact the missiles were launched during a supper with the Chinese PM after a week of threatening North Korea doesn't help anything. I think Trump is trying some sort of Godfather-style intimidation. The fact that he has little popular support and media support (except for his launching the missiles - which was only criticized by 1 of the 15 major major American newspapers) makes Trump a very weak president and everyone on the planet knows it.
Right now one side has to back down. US has to giving up on toppling Syria /OR/ Russia has to abandon Syrian state to be killed by Islamic terrorists.
It resembles the Cuban Missile Crisis but the top twitter topics are who is being cast as the young Dumbledore.
If the US plan is to scare everyone into getting their way, considered me scared. Here - USA take my wallet, just don't hurt me! The real problem isn't me but Russia.
Russia has been savagely gored and raped by the West twice over the last 100 years. Eventually they will have to draw a line before NATO has completely encircled them and crushed their allies....
Here's hoping that sane heads prevail somehow.
We could only wish our elites we Illuminati playing 4-dimestional geo-political chess. The US has had 5+ different positions on Syria over the last week. Half of them if vigorously pursued would lead to nuclear war with Russia.
The fact that USA is incoherent AND belligerent is not good sign. The fact the missiles were launched during a supper with the Chinese PM after a week of threatening North Korea doesn't help anything. I think Trump is trying some sort of Godfather-style intimidation. The fact that he has little popular support and media support (except for his launching the missiles - which was only criticized by 1 of the 15 major major American newspapers) makes Trump a very weak president and everyone on the planet knows it.
Right now one side has to back down. US has to giving up on toppling Syria /OR/ Russia has to abandon Syrian state to be killed by Islamic terrorists.
It resembles the Cuban Missile Crisis but the top twitter topics are who is being cast as the young Dumbledore.
If the US plan is to scare everyone into getting their way, considered me scared. Here - USA take my wallet, just don't hurt me! The real problem isn't me but Russia.
Russia has been savagely gored and raped by the West twice over the last 100 years. Eventually they will have to draw a line before NATO has completely encircled them and crushed their allies....
Here's hoping that sane heads prevail somehow.
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Hobb wrote:This situation in becoming a clusterfuck.
We could only wish our elites we Illuminati playing 4-dimestional geo-political chess. The US has had 5+ different positions on Syria over the last week. Half of them if vigorously pursued would lead to nuclear war with Russia.
4-D CHESS & SYRIA
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After intentionally disconnecting years ago from the brain melting exercise of interpreting and discerning geo-political events, its players / goals & objectives, I have dipped my toe in once again.
Won't delve too much, but honestly, as soon as I heard about a chemical attack in Syria in which the media focused on women and children, it gave me a horrible flash back of the events for the 1st Gulf War.
Remember the babies being dumped out of incubators to facilitate the production of weapons and the "nurse" who testified about it in the US? Yah...that one.
It is absolutely horrific the way they "re-package" propaganda to support an illegal attack/war which tugs on the heart strings of persons subjected to it.
globalresearch.ca has been front and centre on this one. Interesting take and position on it, but will always take things with a grain of salt now. Was this a false flag attack? The articles present a compelling argument, but will leave that to those who are more well versed in the topic.
The Trump /Syria Conundrum: Will Trump Deliver Deep State’s World War?
Ex-CIA Agent: The Official Story of Syria Govt “Gassing Innocent Civilians is a Sham” Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cia-agent-gas-attack-sham/#J4miYGI2ceOqxBfU.99
Just not too sure on the source of thefreethoughtproject. Anyone ever heard of this site?
Won't delve too much, but honestly, as soon as I heard about a chemical attack in Syria in which the media focused on women and children, it gave me a horrible flash back of the events for the 1st Gulf War.
Remember the babies being dumped out of incubators to facilitate the production of weapons and the "nurse" who testified about it in the US? Yah...that one.
It is absolutely horrific the way they "re-package" propaganda to support an illegal attack/war which tugs on the heart strings of persons subjected to it.
globalresearch.ca has been front and centre on this one. Interesting take and position on it, but will always take things with a grain of salt now. Was this a false flag attack? The articles present a compelling argument, but will leave that to those who are more well versed in the topic.
The Trump /Syria Conundrum: Will Trump Deliver Deep State’s World War?
Ex-CIA Agent: The Official Story of Syria Govt “Gassing Innocent Civilians is a Sham” Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cia-agent-gas-attack-sham/#J4miYGI2ceOqxBfU.99
Just not too sure on the source of thefreethoughtproject. Anyone ever heard of this site?
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I have heard of thefreethoughtproject and occasionally it has come up in my searches. The few articles I have read seemed decent but like yourself I wasn't sure on the credibility of the site.
There is a whole lot of scary activity going on in the world. The US conducting essentially what seems to be a false flag attack (I believe it to be one) against Syria, China amassing 150,000 troops on North Korea's border (unconfirmed), the US and Japan have a massive fleet off the coast of North Korea, North Korea about to conduct another nuclear test, 600,000 people moved out of Pyongyang (unconfirmed), US saying they will take action against North Korea is test goes ahead, Russia and US scaling back vital communication to avoid an air clash, media propaganda is in full force, etc, etc, etc...
Right now it seems a catastrophe is inevitable.
Back a few years ago I heard James Corbett say that the global elites are manufacturing a catastrophe in order to push their agenda. The idea being that something has to go seriously wrong, the global elites under a different face will swoop in when things are really bad and effectively create a new world government that is under their control. It always seemed a little far fetched but with the way events are coming together it makes me wonder if he is right and the catastrophe may be another serious global war.
My gut instinct is we are fucked. There is so much tension in the world right and the propaganda machine is in crazy full force, I just don't see us getting out of this without a lot of lives being lost.
There is a whole lot of scary activity going on in the world. The US conducting essentially what seems to be a false flag attack (I believe it to be one) against Syria, China amassing 150,000 troops on North Korea's border (unconfirmed), the US and Japan have a massive fleet off the coast of North Korea, North Korea about to conduct another nuclear test, 600,000 people moved out of Pyongyang (unconfirmed), US saying they will take action against North Korea is test goes ahead, Russia and US scaling back vital communication to avoid an air clash, media propaganda is in full force, etc, etc, etc...
Right now it seems a catastrophe is inevitable.
Back a few years ago I heard James Corbett say that the global elites are manufacturing a catastrophe in order to push their agenda. The idea being that something has to go seriously wrong, the global elites under a different face will swoop in when things are really bad and effectively create a new world government that is under their control. It always seemed a little far fetched but with the way events are coming together it makes me wonder if he is right and the catastrophe may be another serious global war.
My gut instinct is we are fucked. There is so much tension in the world right and the propaganda machine is in crazy full force, I just don't see us getting out of this without a lot of lives being lost.
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Oh yes and the scary part is no one gives a shit. Everyone only cares about the guy getting KOed by United Airlines.
And here is a video by The International Physicans for the Prevention of Nuclear War. It describes the global effects of small and large scales nuclear war. Ahhh nice easy listening before bed.
And here is a video by The International Physicans for the Prevention of Nuclear War. It describes the global effects of small and large scales nuclear war. Ahhh nice easy listening before bed.
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I'm probably going to stop looking at politics for a month or two. Try to regain some sanity points. Not much we can do about it. I rather be outside enjoying myself when I see a white flash in the distance...
One last summary:
1) The USA can immediately fire missiles at a country if they hear a rumor they did something bad. No trial, no evidence, no discussion, no delay.
This is equivalent to hearing a rumor that someone is a pedophile then driving by their house that night and firing a shotgun in their window. This is the underlying 'deeply moral' principle that the Western elites are embracing.
2) If the US claims a country did something than that is the truth every Western country must mouth. Absolutely nothing was learnt from the fraudulent invasion of Iraq over mythical WMDs.
3) All the major US newspapers support these first 2 points. So do all the liberals who had been attacking Trump as a madman unfit to be president the day before.
4) Trudeau Jr. fell obediently and enthusiastically in line with the Trump claims. There wasn't even a hint that the UN should investigate these claims.
5) The NDP accepts these claims. In fact the NDP has effectively forbidden ALL foreign policy discussions to prevent popular anti-war/anti-imperialism from infecting them.
The NDP supported the destruction and rape of Libya - and how is that working out?
Libya: African refugees being sold at 'regular public slave auctions' (Tuesday 11 April 2017)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/libya-public-slave-auctions-africa-migrants-sold-refugees-international-organization-for-migration-a7678031.html
I can see why no one want to talk about it....
6) So there is no pretense of international law or due process when it comes to US actions and the majority of liberal/'leftist' forces in Canada (and the West in general) are hopeless cowards and dupes.
7) The closest we've seen to an serious anti-war movement were the quasi-fascist nationalists who came in with Trump like Steve Bannon and Paul Manafort - both of whom were purged last week right before the missles were launched.
8 ) The closest we've seen to a anti-war movement was the quasi-fascist nationalists!
9) In took less than 2 months for the neo-conservatives to take control of the Trump administration. If it was Hillary in the White House there wouldn't have even been a 2 month gap...
10) While Trump flirts with armageddon his cronies are taking a crowbar to every environmental protection and criminal justice reform they can find
Bonus Point) James Woolsey was up to his dirty tricks last week ... ratting out Mike Flynn and calling for nuclear war against North Korea. I don't have the spare sanity to figure out the whole Flynn/Woolsey affair but if Woolsey is active than war is brewing...
So I'm done with geopolitics.
It's DEMOGORGON's world - we just live in its shadow.
One last summary:
1) The USA can immediately fire missiles at a country if they hear a rumor they did something bad. No trial, no evidence, no discussion, no delay.
This is equivalent to hearing a rumor that someone is a pedophile then driving by their house that night and firing a shotgun in their window. This is the underlying 'deeply moral' principle that the Western elites are embracing.
2) If the US claims a country did something than that is the truth every Western country must mouth. Absolutely nothing was learnt from the fraudulent invasion of Iraq over mythical WMDs.
3) All the major US newspapers support these first 2 points. So do all the liberals who had been attacking Trump as a madman unfit to be president the day before.
4) Trudeau Jr. fell obediently and enthusiastically in line with the Trump claims. There wasn't even a hint that the UN should investigate these claims.
5) The NDP accepts these claims. In fact the NDP has effectively forbidden ALL foreign policy discussions to prevent popular anti-war/anti-imperialism from infecting them.
Yves Engler wrote:There has yet to be a single question about foreign policy in the NDP’s first two leadership debates.
Tom Mulcair's described the NDP as "proud members of NATO" and Mulcair pushed to strengthen sanctions against Russia while also purging a number of NDP candidates--some elected by local riding associations--that supported Palestinian rights.
A party unable to openly debate its foreign policy is likely to support another war that devastates a small African country.
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/yves-englers-blog/2017/04/ndp-differences-international-policy-need-be-debated
The NDP supported the destruction and rape of Libya - and how is that working out?
Libya: African refugees being sold at 'regular public slave auctions' (Tuesday 11 April 2017)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/libya-public-slave-auctions-africa-migrants-sold-refugees-international-organization-for-migration-a7678031.html
I can see why no one want to talk about it....
6) So there is no pretense of international law or due process when it comes to US actions and the majority of liberal/'leftist' forces in Canada (and the West in general) are hopeless cowards and dupes.
7) The closest we've seen to an serious anti-war movement were the quasi-fascist nationalists who came in with Trump like Steve Bannon and Paul Manafort - both of whom were purged last week right before the missles were launched.
8 ) The closest we've seen to a anti-war movement was the quasi-fascist nationalists!
9) In took less than 2 months for the neo-conservatives to take control of the Trump administration. If it was Hillary in the White House there wouldn't have even been a 2 month gap...
10) While Trump flirts with armageddon his cronies are taking a crowbar to every environmental protection and criminal justice reform they can find
Bonus Point) James Woolsey was up to his dirty tricks last week ... ratting out Mike Flynn and calling for nuclear war against North Korea. I don't have the spare sanity to figure out the whole Flynn/Woolsey affair but if Woolsey is active than war is brewing...
So I'm done with geopolitics.
It's DEMOGORGON's world - we just live in its shadow.
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I dug up thefreethoughtproject.com on Internet Archive and got an older "About Us" section.
Matt Agorist is a "USMC veteran and former NSA intelligence operator"
Jason Bassler is into "Ron Paul and the anarchist movement"
They seem to be Libertarian/anarcho-capitalists.
I'm not against anti-war libertarians (in fact I link to one in the first post) but their economics are always heavily pro-austerity/privatization. That movement basically supplanted the anti-war position when large portions of the liberal/left stopped being anti-war during the 8 years of Obama.
I'd take their geopolitics but ignore their economics.
INTERNET ARCHIVE wrote:The Free Thought Project was founded in 2013 by Jason Bassler and Matt Agorist. Bassler and Agorist have been activists for more than a decade and have been working in the alternative media for several years. The rest of our team consists of highly experienced journalists and content creators from all different backgrounds and our family spreads from California to New York.
Matt Agorist is a "USMC veteran and former NSA intelligence operator"
Jason Bassler is into "Ron Paul and the anarchist movement"
They seem to be Libertarian/anarcho-capitalists.
I'm not against anti-war libertarians (in fact I link to one in the first post) but their economics are always heavily pro-austerity/privatization. That movement basically supplanted the anti-war position when large portions of the liberal/left stopped being anti-war during the 8 years of Obama.
I'd take their geopolitics but ignore their economics.
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I like James Corbett but his "globalists want mass depopulation" is a very old right-wing conspiracy usually found amongst the Alex Jones and John Birch crowd. Usually it's called AGENDA 21.
Corbett calls himself a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist (yep - these guys again) who believes that the main problem is state power. I believe the main problem is corporate and state power - especially when the two gang-up together.
I actually find it comforting to think that the 'NWO elite' wants to institute a UN-style 'one world government' after their pre-planned collapse or that their enlightened goals are population control or environmentalism. If only there was this sort of concentrated intent!
From my view the 'NWO elite' are just a bunch of banksters, energy brokers and weapons-dealers who have their foot jammed on the capitalist gas-petal and will suck this planet dry to fill their bank accounts. Add in some Christian fundamentalists and Israel-firsters for raw craziness. Not one of these people give a fuck about the UN - and that's why they will eventually stumble into nuclear war or environmental collapse. It is their raw short-sightedness and greed that I fear - not Illuminati bloodlines bringing us UN governance and environmentalism.
There was a lot of doom'n'gloom environmentalism in the 1970s and I don't like Malthusian economics (thanks to Robert Anton Wilson) but also don't think that UN governance, socialism and environmentalism are the worst threats humanity faces...
ect...
Corbett calls himself a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist (yep - these guys again) who believes that the main problem is state power. I believe the main problem is corporate and state power - especially when the two gang-up together.
I actually find it comforting to think that the 'NWO elite' wants to institute a UN-style 'one world government' after their pre-planned collapse or that their enlightened goals are population control or environmentalism. If only there was this sort of concentrated intent!
From my view the 'NWO elite' are just a bunch of banksters, energy brokers and weapons-dealers who have their foot jammed on the capitalist gas-petal and will suck this planet dry to fill their bank accounts. Add in some Christian fundamentalists and Israel-firsters for raw craziness. Not one of these people give a fuck about the UN - and that's why they will eventually stumble into nuclear war or environmental collapse. It is their raw short-sightedness and greed that I fear - not Illuminati bloodlines bringing us UN governance and environmentalism.
There was a lot of doom'n'gloom environmentalism in the 1970s and I don't like Malthusian economics (thanks to Robert Anton Wilson) but also don't think that UN governance, socialism and environmentalism are the worst threats humanity faces...
ect...
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I agree about James Corbett. I like some of his views on stuff but then sometimes he does venture off into the crazy alt right fantasies. He spends a lot of time saying climate change is not real and it's an agenda pushed by the elites, etc, etc,. And he does at points have that Alex Jones flair.
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South China Morning Post wrote:“You cannot allow a country like that to have nuclear power, nuclear weapons,” Trump was quoted as saying. “That’s mass destruction. He doesn’t have the delivery systems yet, but he will.”
Trump gave orders on the weekend to send an aircraft carrier strike group towards the Korean peninsula. In a later phone call, Trump urged Xi to let North Korean leader Kim Jong-un know that the United States also had nuclear submarines.
Xi was also the first world leader to learn of Trump’s decision to launch a barrage of missiles into Syria on Thursday night in response to a chemical attack. According to Fox News, Trump told Xi of his decision when they were having “beautiful piece of chocolate cake”. Xi paused for 10 seconds before saying that he was “OK” with the strike.
You don't even have to say "weapons of mass destruction" simply saying "mass destruction" is enough. North Korea's guilt is based on delivery systems they will build in the future. Aircraft carriers and nuclear subs are being placed "his" head. The US is no stranger to killing Koreans either. Two million Koreans died the last time the US stopped in.
Break the nuclear taboo to smoke out the Hermit Kingdom? Are we really contemplating this?
Or is it just to get re-tweets like this
Donald Trump Jr. Retweeted wrote: Donald Trump Jr. Retweeted
AmericaFirstPolicies
Verified account @AmericaFirstPol 10h10 hours ago
Good news for @POTUS effort to 'end the war on coal' :)
China rejects North Korea coal, ramps up imports from U.S.
And it's not even oil Trump is shaking down other countries for but coal. Are things that bad or is the coal lobby that lucky?
Will there be no "at long last, sir, have you no decency at all" moment? Is that essence of this debasement? Ugliness without rebuke. Then don't even bothering telling us to eat non-existent cake - they eat the cake in front of us and tell us how good it is.
And it between bites they launch 50 Tomahawk (from Algonquian tamahaac) missiles to help support Al Qaeda's war against Syria.
Today a MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Blast / Mother of All Bombs) on the Taliban - those Moby Dicks of Afghanistan that have vexed the US for the last 16 years. It was literally dropped on caves to kill the people living there. To kill cave-people. This happened alot in Laos too.
A MOAB is the largest non-nuclear bomb in the current US arsenal of freedom. Its blast yield is 0.01% of the type of nuclear bombs that got Hiroshima & Nagasaki. That's why we want to play sanely with nuclear weapons.
But it is hard to type the "sanely" when my anti-war stance is closer to Ann Coulter than the NDP or our Liberal PM.
Remember the moment of the first post-inauguration press conference? When Sean Spicer blustered out and shrilly demanded every write that Trump has the largest inauguration audience "just like he write it to"? It was a trainwreck. Spicer is closer to a cringe-inducing performance artist than a real spokesperson.
Remember that exact moment? Because that's when everyone realized that Trump could hire worth shit, that 'The Apprentice' was a total crock, that meritocracy was a cruel shame, that believing wealth was related to wisdom or god or even competency was a blatant lie?
It was forgotten the next moment. This is the United States of Amnesia as Gore Vidal called it.
Now Spicer in trouble for saying, "You know, someone as despicable as Hitler, who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons. So you have to, if you're Russia, ask yourself: Is Syria a regime you want to align yourself with?" It's like an Andy Kaufman act.
Maybe I do beleive the Illumanti is running this. And their 33rd degree Secret Chief is Chris Morris and he is making the world in a BrassEye episode.
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Or maybe the US elites like the idea of a easily controllable "madman" like Trump in office.
This is a version of the good cop/bad cop strategy. Trump could be a witting or unwitting element in this.
"I tell you, Chinese Ambassador, Trump's a madman. He doesn't listen to any of us in the State Department. So it's better to just buy more US coal and not risk the chance he'll nuke North Korea."
I'd like to believe this is true - just to have some rational goal behind the scenes.
WIKIPEDIA wrote:
The madman theory was a feature of Richard Nixon's foreign policy. He and his administration tried to make the leaders of hostile Communist Bloc nations think Nixon was irrational and volatile. According to the theory, those leaders would then avoid provoking the United States, fearing an unpredictable American response.
Nixon's Chief of Staff, H. R. Haldeman, wrote that Nixon had confided to him:I call it the Madman Theory, Bob. I want the North Vietnamese to believe I've reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We'll just slip the word to them that, "for God's sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can't restrain him when he's angry—and he has his hand on the nuclear button" and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace.[1]
This is a version of the good cop/bad cop strategy. Trump could be a witting or unwitting element in this.
"I tell you, Chinese Ambassador, Trump's a madman. He doesn't listen to any of us in the State Department. So it's better to just buy more US coal and not risk the chance he'll nuke North Korea."
I'd like to believe this is true - just to have some rational goal behind the scenes.
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South China Morning Post wrote:“Xi was also the first world leader to learn of Trump’s decision to launch a barrage of missiles into Syria on Thursday night in response to a chemical attack. According to Fox News, Trump told Xi of his decision when they were having “beautiful piece of chocolate cake”. Xi paused for 10 seconds before saying that he was “OK” with the strike.
10 second pause...I'm thinking that the 'madman theory' would have been rolling around in Xi's head prior to responding with a generic and neutral response to placate Trump by saying "OK".
Hobb wrote:I'm not against anti-war libertarians (in fact I link to one in the first post) but their economics are always heavily pro-austerity/privatization. That movement basically supplanted the anti-war position when large portions of the liberal/left stopped being anti-war during the 8 years of Obama.
Brings up an excellent point. What's the rallying cry for the anti-war movement today? Does it even exist in the age of Demogorgan?
Epic pic btw...you create?
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Re: Syria Attacked by Mad Dog
I'm thinking that I should expedite my efforts to take my OZ trip off the bucket list. One of my dreams is to trip down to OZ and swim in the ocean and explore the Great Barrier Reef prior to it being bleached out.
The Great Barrier Reef has reached a 'terminal stage' of damage
Good ol' ZeroHedge...always coming up with eyebrow raising tidbits...
1983 CIA Document Reveals Plan To Destroy Syria, Foreshadows Current Crisis
Let's hope that JT doesn't piss off the US too much and force them to dig out and repackage their plan to invade Canukistan...ie "War Plan Red"
War Plan Red
No secret plans to invade Canada, U.S. says, but that wasn’t always the case
The Great Barrier Reef has reached a 'terminal stage' of damage
Good ol' ZeroHedge...always coming up with eyebrow raising tidbits...
1983 CIA Document Reveals Plan To Destroy Syria, Foreshadows Current Crisis
Let's hope that JT doesn't piss off the US too much and force them to dig out and repackage their plan to invade Canukistan...ie "War Plan Red"
War Plan Red
No secret plans to invade Canada, U.S. says, but that wasn’t always the case
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I cannot take credit for the picture. I don't think I could stand to look at their faces long enough to do the photoshopping.
I have no idea where the anti-war crowd is today. As I mentioned Ann Coulter is against the bombing of Syria while the Trudeau Jr. supports it.
If you are in a mood to discuss ecological devastation and social degeneration than The Road is a perfect meditation piece.
I have no idea where the anti-war crowd is today. As I mentioned Ann Coulter is against the bombing of Syria while the Trudeau Jr. supports it.
If you are in a mood to discuss ecological devastation and social degeneration than The Road is a perfect meditation piece.
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As the ripples calm, the image become clearer.
Like Trump's travel ban, the attack on Syria was an impotent provocation. Stupid, dangerous but not the main show. The actual effect of both actions has been minimal. So what's happening?
*A first slap on the back of the head from a bully seeing how everyone reacts?
*An attempt to radicalize the population and get the media onside? The liberals really stepped into line and I'm sure ratings were high.
*A foreign distraction while major domestic legislation was rammed through (like appointing a right-wing Supreme Court judge, undoing all of Obama's police reforms, setting up deportation centers on the Mexican border and dismantling the EPA)?
Like Trump's travel ban, the attack on Syria was an impotent provocation. Stupid, dangerous but not the main show. The actual effect of both actions has been minimal. So what's happening?
*A first slap on the back of the head from a bully seeing how everyone reacts?
*An attempt to radicalize the population and get the media onside? The liberals really stepped into line and I'm sure ratings were high.
*A foreign distraction while major domestic legislation was rammed through (like appointing a right-wing Supreme Court judge, undoing all of Obama's police reforms, setting up deportation centers on the Mexican border and dismantling the EPA)?
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counterpunch.org wrote:
Trump’s martial pronouncements are generally too truncated and disarticulated to ever embody something so substantial as a trope or a theme. Indeed, many of these public utterances are so garbled that they defy translation by even the most gifted linguists. They are more like the petulant bleats of an overgrown adolescent testing out a rack of video games, blasting away at one zombie invasion after another until he tires of it and seizes on another scenario. It might be said that he practices the Man-Child theory of foreign relations: belligerent, shallow, easily bored.
Naturally, Trump’s arm-chair Janissaries are all fired-up by these weekly flirtations with global catastrophe, but they also must be a little confused. Syria, Yemen, Somalia, North Korea, Mexico, Iran, Canadian dairy farmers? Which of these are the real foe? Where will the next war start? Will it be the big one they’ve been waiting for?
Is Trump bluffing overseas?
Perhaps he is. The number of his veiled or unveiled threats against foreign actors seems to multiply every day.
1. The president said at his presser with the Italian that Iran has not lived up to the "spirit" of JCPOA. What does that mean? As I recall the agreement's finalization was immediately followed by cries from Congress that the Iranians should expect no lessening in hostility from the US. Was that in the "spirit" of JCPOA? This is ridiculous. The bi-partisan warhawk nationalists in Washington want Iran on its knees begging for forgiveness, The question asked should be - Or what? US air strikes designed to fight a war that Israel wants but cannot accomplish? A naval war in the Gulf? Or what?
2. The president has said that North Korea "should behave." Or what? Some military gesture to demonstrate US disapproval of their nuclear weapons/ballistic missile programs? Or a full blown war to the death on the peninsula? Really? Does Trump or the evidently mad duo of Mattis/McMaster fully grasp the scale of the destruction and people losses that would ensue? Some of the people of SST have suggested that maybe NOKO could actually be bargained with if we adopted a different attitude toward the little bastards. Really? What a thought!
3. Tillerson went to Moscow to bring the Russians to heel on various matters and left with nothing to show for his trouble NATO keeps moving assets into Eastern Europe to confront the Russian menace. The prevailing idea in the Borgist foreign policy establishment in Washington and London seems to be that the US (with UK advice) must guide human events and any thought of national independence anywhere in the world must be stamped out. Really? How is that to be enforced? With war? With yet more economic sanctions that drive Russia toward China?
4. Mattis (without producing evidence) insists that Syria has retained some indeterminate number of tons of chemical weapon materials. This is a transparent effort to justify further aggressive action against Syria. At the same time AQ connected guerrillas, heavily armed with US TOW are attacking to re-capture the southern Syrian border city of Deraa from government forces. these forces are heavily supplied with US material support from sources in Jordan just to the south of the city. Will Mattis/McMaster justify direct US intervention there to create a "safe zone" in preparation for partition of the country or as a base for a drive on Damascus to unseat the government and install the jihadis?
All of this raises the question of why the Trump Administration is placing itself in position in which if we are defied we will have to fight a number of bloody wars simultaneously Why? pl
http://turcopolier.typepad.com wrote:I do think it's posturing (AKA bluffing). We know this is a bad thing for the reasons you note. However, I think that they believe they can control the message so thoroughly that, behind the scenes, they can back down, make whatever deals they need to, etc. and then get the media to send out whatever propaganda they need to cause the American people to not understand whatever is really happening.
So the message we get today is Trump as President Thor, talking loud and carrying a big hammer, sometimes hurling mighty thunderbolts. America is no longer weak! This appeals to many; even many in government.
Should one of the various threatened countries call the bluff, well, the media can be caused to massage the message to make it appear that the US put them in their place. Or Americans may not even be allowed to know of the transgression. The only instance in which this little scheme won't work is if actual war breaks out, say on the Korean Peninsula. However, it's a reasonably safe bet, in Trump's mind, that war won't break out unless it was going to anyhow. Or, in other words, that his posturing would actually impact the other countries' calculation of whether or not to start shooting.
So, it's all up-side for Trump. The key is control of the media and fooling the audience. Not that I approve of any of this, just guessing that it is how Trump's thinking is operating.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com wrote:
I agree with your framing but would add context.
The last 40 years has reduced the functional United States to two industrialized and fairly modern corridors along the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. With the exception of a shrinking constellation of aspiring city states in between, the remainder of the country has been hollowed out and more or less abandoned: that zone is functionally reduced to second or third world status and with regard to infrastructure that status extends right into the heart of the Borg in DC and the Blob in Boston, New York, Seattle and San Francisco.
That bi-coastal, mostly modern state now relies on manufacturing supply chains all over the "empire" outside it's protected borders for its munitions and provisioning and increasingly for properly educated "staff". The elite in this zone is oblivious to enormous and increasing fragility that has resulted in all of its economic and political infrastructure even to the extent of thinking fighting wars with mercenary forces is a good proposition.
I've been wondering the last few years if it's 1988 and we're the Soviet Union or if its 1913 and we're Great Britain. Since November 9th I've been thought maybe it is 1913 but we have our Kaiser Wilhelm.
But the global dynamics are even bigger than that, in the context of what I've just outlined I'm beginning to think Trump has more in common with Muhammad Shah who rode the Mughal Empire down to collapse and dismemberment in the 1750s. In 1988, the Soviets still had a well educated and healthy (minus the alcoholism) population; in 1913 the Kaiser had one of the healthiest and most modern industrial societies in the world behind him: Trump has inherited the desiccated rump of a hollow empire that has systematically monetized the health and education of its population now for two generations, reversing higher earlier levels of education and now actually increasing the mortality rate for its citizens. Ours has become a deeply corrupt and blindly self destructive empire like that of the late Mughals.
counterpunch.org wrote:
Is Mad Dog Planning to Invade East Syria?
The US Special Operation Forces, the UK Special Operation Forces and units from some other countries (Canada?) -have been conducting operations across the Syrian-Jordanian border for a long time. They even had a secret military facility inside Syria where members the so-called New Syrian Army militant group were deployed. However, it was the first time when a notable number of US armoured vehicles was reported there. The US Ro-Ro ship Liberty Passion, loaded with vehicles, had arrived to the Jordanian port of Al-Aqapa few days ago. These moves followed a meeting between the Jordanian King and the US president.
counterpunch.org wrote:
So the President formerly known as Hitler has apparently pulled his head out of his ass and gotten with the global capitalist program. The ruling classes couldn’t be more relieved, as it was beginning to look like they were going to have to carry on with their totally ridiculous “Manchurian President” propaganda indefinitely, or deal with Trump in some harsher way, which, given the paranoid mood in the country and the heavily-armed nature of a lot of his supporters, was going to get a little tricky.
We’ll be able to get back to “normality,” finally. Yes, it will likely take a few weeks for liberals to fully recover from the shock of the cancellation of Holocaust Redux and the Imminent Invasion of the Putin-Nazis, but my prediction is, by sometime this Summer, we’ll have returned to more or less business as usual. That is, of course, unless Putin the Evil hacks the upcoming French elections …
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THEY'RE BACK!
Wolfowitz would be the last person they want Trump to listen to. Long a lightning rod because of the havoc unleashed by the Iraq invasion, Wolfowitz has never apologized for advocating the war, although he has said—and repeated in our conversation—that it was not carried out as he would have wanted it to be. In recent days he‘s jumped right back into the public debate, nudging President Trump from the pages of the Wall Street Journal to follow up his bombing strike in neighboring Syria with more aggressive action—and, he tells me, privately emailing with Trump Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and national security advisor H.R. McMaster, both longtime contacts since his Bush days, in hopes they will pursue a U.S. strategy of stepped-up engagement in the Middle East.
http://www.targetliberty.com/2017/04/this-is-it-trump-has-been-completely.html
For over 20 years the US Treasury has been controlled by GoldmanSachs and US foreign policy has been controlled by Israel-firsters. Some rightwing nationalists tried to use Trump campaign to break this stranglehold by Trump is such a cuck for generals that he didn't even put a decent fight.
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