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Early September
1) A weekend of sorting through old VHS tapes. A good companion to making some mix-tapes.
The foundational technology of Generation X is magnetic tape. It is a good mid-point between the thick wax grooves of records and the ethereal bits of modern media. You can still tape with a pencil, see white mold accumulate on its edges, it becomes crinkly and clingy, you can yank it out and use it like a gymnastic ribbon or make wrap yourself into a mummy (the last two were the fate of a thick tape of darkmike's SNO data).
I even got an VCR working by using ancient tribal techniques: I popped the lid off and manually guided and ejected the tapes, using taunt commercially-made tapes to 'reset' the heads as needed. Stuck tapes would be pried out with a butter knife.
The movies on the tapes were just as foundational: a tape with Star Wars (1977) & Wizards (1977), the contents hand-written my mother; the beige tape-sticker of Aliens (1986); the cover-art for Liquid Sky (1982). MST3000 watched with Ivan in-between brain surgeries; early anime tapes (robot carnival, 3x3 eyes, overfiend) copied for me by Brad@ComicsNorth; a half-dozen tape of weird occult shorts and x-rated cartoon retrieved from convention booths and Toronto stores. Those z-grade movies discovered in sketchy bins at truck-stops that are still in-jokes referenced to this day like Clones of Bruce Lee or Nam Angles.
Almost every tape was a story to me. I could just start an R2N column and reminisce about individual tapes. But it was a fall cleaning, space was being made for the increased confinement of winter. Garbage bags full of tapes were removed. I kept a box that contained: (a) taped unavailable on the internet, which included WWII educational films, obscure wuxia, Canadian productions (Beautiful Dreamers, Clown Murders); (b) sentimental favorites that belong on VHS (RepoMan, Liquid Sky) and (c) all the home-made and hand-crafted tapes. This last category includes everything from videos made for teaching (all the tapes are split between 'media ethics' and 'evolution of self' documentaries reflecting my schedule); tapes made as students (space travel compilations and chaos magic interviews); and HOME MOVIES.
Home Movies are basically psychedelics - they offer a whole mess of psychological insight but the price is the possibility of 'bad trip'. Is there any more cringey ritual than the 'opening of the presents' at a birthday or Christmas? The choice to conduct and record these product-focused reaction videos as a "capitalist ritual" is eye-opening. You can see bits of humanity scurrying at edges as the domineering adults conduct the spectacle in a soul-deaden manner. I laughed, I cried, I realized just much of me was forged in opposition and avoidance of these social atrocities. It was nice to see everyone (including Fillipo, John, Ivan, Raul!).
Outside of the birthdays, it the shadows cast by those birthday candles, you can see the smiling madness forming in opposition. An 8-year old Reb is surveying the house with a camcorder, and he is high on childhood and caffeine. In a one-man show of non-stop hilarious narration, Reb 'interviews' Grandpa Book and Puppy, looks into a mirror, films a grey November sky while spinning, and I show up in a skull mask, fright wig and bowler hat. The ending is perfect. Reb places the camera on the ground to film himself playing with a mini-synthesizer, he is enjoying using the drums to sound like machine-guy fire, off-screen someone yells at him, he yells back, and stands up and leaves with the synthesizer to carry his assault to the enemy. Like the final scenes of "Man Bites Dog", the camera is recording an empty hallway as gun fire rattles in the distance, until the tape finally jumps to static.
The foundational technology of Generation X is magnetic tape. It is a good mid-point between the thick wax grooves of records and the ethereal bits of modern media. You can still tape with a pencil, see white mold accumulate on its edges, it becomes crinkly and clingy, you can yank it out and use it like a gymnastic ribbon or make wrap yourself into a mummy (the last two were the fate of a thick tape of darkmike's SNO data).
I even got an VCR working by using ancient tribal techniques: I popped the lid off and manually guided and ejected the tapes, using taunt commercially-made tapes to 'reset' the heads as needed. Stuck tapes would be pried out with a butter knife.
The movies on the tapes were just as foundational: a tape with Star Wars (1977) & Wizards (1977), the contents hand-written my mother; the beige tape-sticker of Aliens (1986); the cover-art for Liquid Sky (1982). MST3000 watched with Ivan in-between brain surgeries; early anime tapes (robot carnival, 3x3 eyes, overfiend) copied for me by Brad@ComicsNorth; a half-dozen tape of weird occult shorts and x-rated cartoon retrieved from convention booths and Toronto stores. Those z-grade movies discovered in sketchy bins at truck-stops that are still in-jokes referenced to this day like Clones of Bruce Lee or Nam Angles.
Almost every tape was a story to me. I could just start an R2N column and reminisce about individual tapes. But it was a fall cleaning, space was being made for the increased confinement of winter. Garbage bags full of tapes were removed. I kept a box that contained: (a) taped unavailable on the internet, which included WWII educational films, obscure wuxia, Canadian productions (Beautiful Dreamers, Clown Murders); (b) sentimental favorites that belong on VHS (RepoMan, Liquid Sky) and (c) all the home-made and hand-crafted tapes. This last category includes everything from videos made for teaching (all the tapes are split between 'media ethics' and 'evolution of self' documentaries reflecting my schedule); tapes made as students (space travel compilations and chaos magic interviews); and HOME MOVIES.
Home Movies are basically psychedelics - they offer a whole mess of psychological insight but the price is the possibility of 'bad trip'. Is there any more cringey ritual than the 'opening of the presents' at a birthday or Christmas? The choice to conduct and record these product-focused reaction videos as a "capitalist ritual" is eye-opening. You can see bits of humanity scurrying at edges as the domineering adults conduct the spectacle in a soul-deaden manner. I laughed, I cried, I realized just much of me was forged in opposition and avoidance of these social atrocities. It was nice to see everyone (including Fillipo, John, Ivan, Raul!).
Outside of the birthdays, it the shadows cast by those birthday candles, you can see the smiling madness forming in opposition. An 8-year old Reb is surveying the house with a camcorder, and he is high on childhood and caffeine. In a one-man show of non-stop hilarious narration, Reb 'interviews' Grandpa Book and Puppy, looks into a mirror, films a grey November sky while spinning, and I show up in a skull mask, fright wig and bowler hat. The ending is perfect. Reb places the camera on the ground to film himself playing with a mini-synthesizer, he is enjoying using the drums to sound like machine-guy fire, off-screen someone yells at him, he yells back, and stands up and leaves with the synthesizer to carry his assault to the enemy. Like the final scenes of "Man Bites Dog", the camera is recording an empty hallway as gun fire rattles in the distance, until the tape finally jumps to static.
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Going through the 'keep' pile I can see three social grouping
a) Tapes my mother gave me, she was the movie-lover of the family and I inherited it. [Star Wars, Wizards, Nausicaa, Aliens]
b) Teenage Pack films - that familiar mix of B-movies, James Cameron, Woo, Tarantino and buddy comedies [Aliens, Clones of Bruce Li, True Romance, Killing Zoe, Planes, Trains and Automobiles, Killer/Hardboiled, MST3000 (Trumpy, Mitchell, Sidehackers...)] This is why I watch Redlettermedia and MST3K to re-experience the 'B-Movie Male Pack'
c) Hobb & Stef films - those bizarre films scoured from the nooks of weird Toronto goth and occult shops or discovered in Ottawa rental store [Man Bites Dog, GG Allen's Hated, Best of the NY Underground Video Festival, weird animation & early 'screensaver' CGI stuff, Derek Jarman's Angelic Conversation, some Kenneth Anger] + a two romances from our first years [Kissed & Lilies - Canadian films about necrophilia & sadist homosexuality!]
A hypothetical fourth category exists:
d) Me and the film critic community. I had a misspent youth reading Starlog, Fangoria, PREMIERE, Film Threat and, most importantly, Video WatchDog. My copy of The Psychotronic Encyclopedia was read cover to cover multiple times. As MonkeyMan would comment, "You have opinions on films you've never seen!" There is a stack of VHS tape kept because of my ties to these critics and a visceral personal love I have for these movies. The tapes of Martin, Repo Man, Liquid Sky, Carnival of Souls, Fantastic Planet are 'icons of pop coolness', a category I don't think about much these days. In this category I would also place 'The Incredible Strange Film show' as I recorded these TV shows for of satellite.
These categories blur into each other. The Aliens tape my mother gave me became the core of the Teenage pack films. Brad Hayes' lending and copying of tapes is a major force in categories B,C and D.
a) Tapes my mother gave me, she was the movie-lover of the family and I inherited it. [Star Wars, Wizards, Nausicaa, Aliens]
b) Teenage Pack films - that familiar mix of B-movies, James Cameron, Woo, Tarantino and buddy comedies [Aliens, Clones of Bruce Li, True Romance, Killing Zoe, Planes, Trains and Automobiles, Killer/Hardboiled, MST3000 (Trumpy, Mitchell, Sidehackers...)] This is why I watch Redlettermedia and MST3K to re-experience the 'B-Movie Male Pack'
c) Hobb & Stef films - those bizarre films scoured from the nooks of weird Toronto goth and occult shops or discovered in Ottawa rental store [Man Bites Dog, GG Allen's Hated, Best of the NY Underground Video Festival, weird animation & early 'screensaver' CGI stuff, Derek Jarman's Angelic Conversation, some Kenneth Anger] + a two romances from our first years [Kissed & Lilies - Canadian films about necrophilia & sadist homosexuality!]
A hypothetical fourth category exists:
d) Me and the film critic community. I had a misspent youth reading Starlog, Fangoria, PREMIERE, Film Threat and, most importantly, Video WatchDog. My copy of The Psychotronic Encyclopedia was read cover to cover multiple times. As MonkeyMan would comment, "You have opinions on films you've never seen!" There is a stack of VHS tape kept because of my ties to these critics and a visceral personal love I have for these movies. The tapes of Martin, Repo Man, Liquid Sky, Carnival of Souls, Fantastic Planet are 'icons of pop coolness', a category I don't think about much these days. In this category I would also place 'The Incredible Strange Film show' as I recorded these TV shows for of satellite.
These categories blur into each other. The Aliens tape my mother gave me became the core of the Teenage pack films. Brad Hayes' lending and copying of tapes is a major force in categories B,C and D.
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2) "I over-dosed on red-pills"
I'm listening to an interview with Fredrick Brennan, the founder of 8chan. I used on spend time of the 'chans' for their RPG piracy threads. You could find and post hard-to-find stuff from the 1970s on those thread but they made sure they shoved their racism and sexism in everyone's face. It was like an episode of South Park divorced from any need to please advertisers. So it is a pleasant surprise to find out his is a decent guy who is grappling with all the 'red-pilling' he went through in his youth by internet wackos. Back in my day we had to 'pill' ourselves - but it was still the same right-wing 'Bircher' American garbage but you had spend months tracking it down! Every red-pill is packed full of radical right theories with a sprinkling of marxism or environmentalism. To be 'red-pilled' is to be 'radicalright-pilled', the question is where do you go from there? Fredrick Brennan seems to have begun that long road back to basic decency and common humanity.
https://soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-54-autopsy-of-8chan-w-founder-fredrick-brennan
3) If you haven't butted heads with right-wingers in the past 10 years, you are probably part of their movement. If you haven't been fighting the fascist within, you've probably been enabling him. These are hard-facts of North American life in 2020. From a cross-cultural or historical perspective, our default cultural setting is far on the right side of politics.
I'm listening to an interview with Fredrick Brennan, the founder of 8chan. I used on spend time of the 'chans' for their RPG piracy threads. You could find and post hard-to-find stuff from the 1970s on those thread but they made sure they shoved their racism and sexism in everyone's face. It was like an episode of South Park divorced from any need to please advertisers. So it is a pleasant surprise to find out his is a decent guy who is grappling with all the 'red-pilling' he went through in his youth by internet wackos. Back in my day we had to 'pill' ourselves - but it was still the same right-wing 'Bircher' American garbage but you had spend months tracking it down! Every red-pill is packed full of radical right theories with a sprinkling of marxism or environmentalism. To be 'red-pilled' is to be 'radicalright-pilled', the question is where do you go from there? Fredrick Brennan seems to have begun that long road back to basic decency and common humanity.
https://soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-54-autopsy-of-8chan-w-founder-fredrick-brennan
3) If you haven't butted heads with right-wingers in the past 10 years, you are probably part of their movement. If you haven't been fighting the fascist within, you've probably been enabling him. These are hard-facts of North American life in 2020. From a cross-cultural or historical perspective, our default cultural setting is far on the right side of politics.
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4) On March 26, 2018 Alex Jones culminated his disinformation/sheepdog role and led all his followers right back into the arms of the Neo-conservatives, by embracing arch-neocon John Bolton.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/infowars-alex-jones-support-for-john-bolton.3733117/
I'd call them 'suckers' but isn't this what they truly desired? An authority figure to transition all their impotent male rage right back into the war-mongers arms where they long to go. From acting like radical outsiders to worshiping the president as your personal savior in just a few months take some coaching. Trump's roles has been in bring both police unions and anti-government forces like militias, working-class males and evangelicals into full-support for American Imperialism is his most significant accomplishment.
Getting 'anti-fed' groups and all the police unions to worship the head federal figure secures the home-front for military expansion. If Trump gets a second term, the neo-cons will go for broke because their will never be a better moment.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/infowars-alex-jones-support-for-john-bolton.3733117/
I'd call them 'suckers' but isn't this what they truly desired? An authority figure to transition all their impotent male rage right back into the war-mongers arms where they long to go. From acting like radical outsiders to worshiping the president as your personal savior in just a few months take some coaching. Trump's roles has been in bring both police unions and anti-government forces like militias, working-class males and evangelicals into full-support for American Imperialism is his most significant accomplishment.
Getting 'anti-fed' groups and all the police unions to worship the head federal figure secures the home-front for military expansion. If Trump gets a second term, the neo-cons will go for broke because their will never be a better moment.
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5) Here is the nightmare analysis I'm trying to avoid
a) The financial bubble created after the 2008 Wall Street implosion has to burst
b) Trump has secured the loyalty of the police and white working-class
c) Trump has moved the economy onto a war position by securing vital resources and massive military funding
Therefore...
d) A Trump second term with a simultaneous financial crash and sizable war to offset it is the deep-state solution. With the hard-right coming to power in formerly 'neutral' countries like India (next election 2024) and Brazil (next election 2022), the years 2021-22 would be just about right for a war. Either Iran or China or a very close proxy to them.
a) The financial bubble created after the 2008 Wall Street implosion has to burst
b) Trump has secured the loyalty of the police and white working-class
c) Trump has moved the economy onto a war position by securing vital resources and massive military funding
Therefore...
d) A Trump second term with a simultaneous financial crash and sizable war to offset it is the deep-state solution. With the hard-right coming to power in formerly 'neutral' countries like India (next election 2024) and Brazil (next election 2022), the years 2021-22 would be just about right for a war. Either Iran or China or a very close proxy to them.
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6) One of Canada's worst act of foreign terrorism was done by a "an elderly retired American armed forces officer" to kill Catholics
Outside of the Air India Flight 182 (300 killed) and the 2017 mosque massacre by a 'Ben Shapiro'-cultist (6 killed) this might be the single worst act of terrorism in Canada's history. Between Since 1960-1990 only 13 persons died as a result of terrorist events in Canada and this American wacko killed 3 of them. This same period includes many FLQ bombings/kidnappings and Armenian extremist fire-bombings.
Thomas Brigham of Rochester, N.Y., was a 65-year-old Air Force bombardier-navigator. Brigham was committed to American mental institutions four times, having had delusions believing he was Jesus. Three days before the bombing, Via Rail received an anonymous letter addressed to the "director of Cosmic Amtrak" warning of "the end of the Unholy Vatican." Then it gets 'spooky' as "two minutes before the bombing, Canadian National officers were alerted when a "young man with long blond hair who had been loitering in the station" ran across the station with his hands cupped over his ears "as if to shut out noise"...Police announced they were instead looking for "a bearded man in his late 20s or early 30s" who was seen immediately before the blast and believed to have befriended Brigham. They suggested that somebody who knew Brigham had written threatening letters and may have taken the opportunity to plant a bomb themselves."
After the explosion Brigham walked by to a reporter and starting making strange claims until she called the police and he was arrested. At his arraignment, Brigham pulled down his pants and stated that he was "not the bomb squad but the truth squad".
The bomb used was highly explosive and made by a professional. It was nearly impossible to identify the bodies of the three victims, with one victim having "no bone left that would allow reconstruction″. Quebec police believed “with the impact it had I think that it would be more than a simple pipe bomb.”
Sounds like somebody with bomb-building experience 'piggy-backed' on an American patsy....
Public Safety Canada report wrote:September 3, 1984 Montréal, Qué
An American, angry at the imminent papal visit to Canada, bombed Montréal Central Station,
killing three and wounding in excess of 30 people. The bomb, which was planted in a bank of
lockers near a gate where Ottawa-bound travelers queued, exploded at 10:22 a.m. Police
speculated that the powerful bomb comprised a pipe filled with gunpowder, possibly also gasoline,
and with dynamite attached. After an insanity plea was rejected, an elderly retired American
armed forces officer was sentenced to life imprisonment; it is unclear whether the act was a
political one or simply the product of an unstable mind.
Outside of the Air India Flight 182 (300 killed) and the 2017 mosque massacre by a 'Ben Shapiro'-cultist (6 killed) this might be the single worst act of terrorism in Canada's history. Between Since 1960-1990 only 13 persons died as a result of terrorist events in Canada and this American wacko killed 3 of them. This same period includes many FLQ bombings/kidnappings and Armenian extremist fire-bombings.
Thomas Brigham of Rochester, N.Y., was a 65-year-old Air Force bombardier-navigator. Brigham was committed to American mental institutions four times, having had delusions believing he was Jesus. Three days before the bombing, Via Rail received an anonymous letter addressed to the "director of Cosmic Amtrak" warning of "the end of the Unholy Vatican." Then it gets 'spooky' as "two minutes before the bombing, Canadian National officers were alerted when a "young man with long blond hair who had been loitering in the station" ran across the station with his hands cupped over his ears "as if to shut out noise"...Police announced they were instead looking for "a bearded man in his late 20s or early 30s" who was seen immediately before the blast and believed to have befriended Brigham. They suggested that somebody who knew Brigham had written threatening letters and may have taken the opportunity to plant a bomb themselves."
After the explosion Brigham walked by to a reporter and starting making strange claims until she called the police and he was arrested. At his arraignment, Brigham pulled down his pants and stated that he was "not the bomb squad but the truth squad".
The bomb used was highly explosive and made by a professional. It was nearly impossible to identify the bodies of the three victims, with one victim having "no bone left that would allow reconstruction″. Quebec police believed “with the impact it had I think that it would be more than a simple pipe bomb.”
Sounds like somebody with bomb-building experience 'piggy-backed' on an American patsy....
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7) I'd enjoying listening to Abbie & Robbie Martin but Robbie is clearly the weak link. I got worried when I heard him discussing all the TV shows he likes, I figured he was just younger but consumption of current US media means you are always being pulled to the political 'center'.
Near the end of the interview by a libertarian host, Robbie confesses he is just a liberal by declaring "he is not a socialist" and the host sees his weakness and strike. Five minutes later a bamboozled Robbie is agreeing the neo-conservatism is a leftist plot. The host was well within his rights to do this because 'Liberals' are the easiest targets in any political debate, listening to Joe "not a socialist" Rogan and Robbie "not a socialist" Martin shows how easily led they are. [http://www.thaddeusrussell.com/podcast/91]
A large number of neo-cons were former leftists because they were Jewish intellectuals in the 1970s who turned against the 'counter-culture'. Their whole cultural zeigeist was leftist - until it wasn't. Take a non-Jewish neo-conservative like Woolsey and he'll proudly boast of being a 'southern conservative' as trained by his aunts and mother. There are major overlaps between neo-conservatism and the Democratic Party, political idealism and cultural liberalism, but these are not the exclusive, nor even normal, domains of the 'the left'.
8 ) It is a delicate moment for the Trumpist movement. All the grifters in his base are complaining the cultural energy is gone (i.e their followers are dropping). He has fired his third National Security Adviser and uber-hawk John Bolton. Has all this craziness occurred just to re-fill the Republican Party ranks after the disastrous invasion of Iraq? Has Trump, like Obama and Kennedy before him, slowly begun to realize how deeply the National Security 'deep state' is playing him? No - Trump is not as dumb as he plays, but being his turd-soul is real. As they say at the end of American Psycho "there is nothing inside."
The well-received tweet that 'Bolton was out' was followed by a tweet about 'an Iranian woman who set herself on fire because women are barred from spectator sports' in some prominent anti-war accounts. One interpretation is that with Bolton gone, it will be easier for Iranian liberal reformers to make progress. A more cynical version is that Trump has secured 'the deplorables' (and a collection of middle-class fascist kids who seem to spend most of time preening and complaining) and now he has to build liberal support for the war. All the 'never trump' neo-cons will happily drop their objections for an Iranian War. Combine (non-cremated) 'soccer moms' with 'never trump neocons' and you have a good chunk of the US 'liberals'!
There is a interpretation of Trump in some parts of the 'alt-right'/libertarian web that view him as a 'Reagan Realist' politician versus 'Idealist Neo-cons'. The main difference is that realists 'bomb' but idealists 'occupy', the libertarians want cost-efficient displays of god-like might not bloated corporate-welfare imperialism. This is the mature end of the alt-right that doesn't scream about their inalienable free-speech right to demand 'racial holy war' every 10 seconds. Trump like Reagan is a performer, they are easily led by their egos. Reagan was the nodding plastic face on a massive hydra of criminal covert ops - he was fraudulently elected by 'Iran-Contra', defied congress to support Central American death-squads through drug money (Dark Alliance), made 'dirty tricks' campaigning the Republican norm (Lee Atwater & Roger Ailes) and his administration dissolved into endless lawsuits and inquiries as also this came to light. He also oversaw the globe's largest amassing of military (Star Wars and record budgets) and police might (war on drugs) setting the foundation for turning the USA into a fortified 'homeland' ready to occupy other countries. I don't get the idea that Ron Reagan did all this. Apparently letting a massive 'deep state' develop is 'realism' as long as you cut taxes for the rich...
The problems with the liberals and conservatives both having their own form of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is that Trump might be just what he seems, a shady ego-manic millionaire being used as condom by a variety of deep state actors to get what they want. The question is what agendas do they have for a Trump 2nd term?
If the Democrats run Biden this signals they are ready to 'take a dive' and let Trump2020 come to full fruition. A Trump second term coalition of deplorables, soccer moms and neo-cons would be enough to defeat the anti-war forces on both the left and right.
Near the end of the interview by a libertarian host, Robbie confesses he is just a liberal by declaring "he is not a socialist" and the host sees his weakness and strike. Five minutes later a bamboozled Robbie is agreeing the neo-conservatism is a leftist plot. The host was well within his rights to do this because 'Liberals' are the easiest targets in any political debate, listening to Joe "not a socialist" Rogan and Robbie "not a socialist" Martin shows how easily led they are. [http://www.thaddeusrussell.com/podcast/91]
A large number of neo-cons were former leftists because they were Jewish intellectuals in the 1970s who turned against the 'counter-culture'. Their whole cultural zeigeist was leftist - until it wasn't. Take a non-Jewish neo-conservative like Woolsey and he'll proudly boast of being a 'southern conservative' as trained by his aunts and mother. There are major overlaps between neo-conservatism and the Democratic Party, political idealism and cultural liberalism, but these are not the exclusive, nor even normal, domains of the 'the left'.
8 ) It is a delicate moment for the Trumpist movement. All the grifters in his base are complaining the cultural energy is gone (i.e their followers are dropping). He has fired his third National Security Adviser and uber-hawk John Bolton. Has all this craziness occurred just to re-fill the Republican Party ranks after the disastrous invasion of Iraq? Has Trump, like Obama and Kennedy before him, slowly begun to realize how deeply the National Security 'deep state' is playing him? No - Trump is not as dumb as he plays, but being his turd-soul is real. As they say at the end of American Psycho "there is nothing inside."
The well-received tweet that 'Bolton was out' was followed by a tweet about 'an Iranian woman who set herself on fire because women are barred from spectator sports' in some prominent anti-war accounts. One interpretation is that with Bolton gone, it will be easier for Iranian liberal reformers to make progress. A more cynical version is that Trump has secured 'the deplorables' (and a collection of middle-class fascist kids who seem to spend most of time preening and complaining) and now he has to build liberal support for the war. All the 'never trump' neo-cons will happily drop their objections for an Iranian War. Combine (non-cremated) 'soccer moms' with 'never trump neocons' and you have a good chunk of the US 'liberals'!
There is a interpretation of Trump in some parts of the 'alt-right'/libertarian web that view him as a 'Reagan Realist' politician versus 'Idealist Neo-cons'. The main difference is that realists 'bomb' but idealists 'occupy', the libertarians want cost-efficient displays of god-like might not bloated corporate-welfare imperialism. This is the mature end of the alt-right that doesn't scream about their inalienable free-speech right to demand 'racial holy war' every 10 seconds. Trump like Reagan is a performer, they are easily led by their egos. Reagan was the nodding plastic face on a massive hydra of criminal covert ops - he was fraudulently elected by 'Iran-Contra', defied congress to support Central American death-squads through drug money (Dark Alliance), made 'dirty tricks' campaigning the Republican norm (Lee Atwater & Roger Ailes) and his administration dissolved into endless lawsuits and inquiries as also this came to light. He also oversaw the globe's largest amassing of military (Star Wars and record budgets) and police might (war on drugs) setting the foundation for turning the USA into a fortified 'homeland' ready to occupy other countries. I don't get the idea that Ron Reagan did all this. Apparently letting a massive 'deep state' develop is 'realism' as long as you cut taxes for the rich...
The problems with the liberals and conservatives both having their own form of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is that Trump might be just what he seems, a shady ego-manic millionaire being used as condom by a variety of deep state actors to get what they want. The question is what agendas do they have for a Trump 2nd term?
If the Democrats run Biden this signals they are ready to 'take a dive' and let Trump2020 come to full fruition. A Trump second term coalition of deplorables, soccer moms and neo-cons would be enough to defeat the anti-war forces on both the left and right.
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#Post 9/11 thread for people to post the wildest shit they remember from 01 to 06#
There is a great sociology paper to be written on nationalism and online war-gaming. My dad chuckled at the Xbox commercial depicting soldiers in Iraq dominating an online game. Afghanistan bases had Xbox LANs for Halo. The Army openly recruited through online shooters. I served in Battlefield1942 protecting the beaches of Normandy. Killing virtual Americans as they killed real Iraqis.
It was madness. It remains.
twitter wrote:I don't know how anyone would be able to back this up, but I distinctly remember going to play counter-strike in the month or so after 9/11 and nobody would join the terrorist team. Every game was just a lobby full of people on the CT team showing off memorial sprays they made.
I played Team Fortress that night and the chat was 100% the most murderous anti-muslim shit I'd ever seen
I was 13 and live in Canada, so I would join the Terrorist team to actually play CS and was booted from a few servers.
There is a great sociology paper to be written on nationalism and online war-gaming. My dad chuckled at the Xbox commercial depicting soldiers in Iraq dominating an online game. Afghanistan bases had Xbox LANs for Halo. The Army openly recruited through online shooters. I served in Battlefield1942 protecting the beaches of Normandy. Killing virtual Americans as they killed real Iraqis.
- click here to NEVER FORGET:
My grandmother died as a result of the creation of TSA and their bullshit rules; her flight was grounded on 9/11, and when she rescheduled she was no longer allowed to fly with her oxygen tank & couldn't afford the TSA approved battery powered compressor. She died 4 days later
As a kid I went out to eat with my mom. She shushed me when I said I didn't like something the president did. She said, "Don't talk like that in public. People can hear you!" I laughed & she said, "I'm serious, you need to protect yourself" I thought, what country do I live in?! ... and that is the moment I stopped being honest with my mother. lol.
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I was working in a TV newsroom *on* 9/11 and we got some CRAZY calls: My son in law works at NORAD and a warhead is missing from its silo. Car bombs at the state department, the federal courthouse in Atlanta, a couple other places. Bomb threats at the local Best Buy & mall.
I was listening to 9/11 happen on a Walkman radio on a greyhound bus but does anyone else remember breathless reports of car bombs going off in DC right after the pentagon got hit?
[Hobb - I do!]
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As a pre-teen on the internet in 01-04, I remember the wave of shitty cartoon/flash animation videos on Newgrounds/PoliticalToons.com/MadBlast.com about the Afghanistan/Iraq war and the Bush admin. that were terrible in retrospect.
ebaumsworld
Bumfights
I have a newspaper from around that time saying Osama was hiding the holy grail. It was s one of those crazy papers with stories of bat boy and wild celebrity scandals. It didn't really advertise itself as being a parody like onion. I bought a copy of it and still have it just cause it was so absurd, like a weird timeline souvenir.
In 2003, a girl interrupted class to discuss why the crips and bloods needed to get along or one of them was going to '9/11 the other.' I lived in suburban virginia in a town with a 98.7% white population.
the roving gangs of white supremacists that went around hunting black people in Katrina that the media largely ignored:
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The run on duct tape and other supplies after government warning mention them
how about the home hazmat suit? i remember buying two even though i was single because i thought it would be such a douchey moment if i only had one + we ever needed them and i had someone over... what would you even say?!
On Good Morning America a company was invited on to pitch Personal Parachutes for people in high rise buildings.
Also, let's never forget the entire staged Jessica Lynch rescue.
Men bought cases of french wine and poured them into the Chesapeake because France refusing to join OIF
Freedom Fries.
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When 50% of American had doubts about the war, less than 1% of media-interviewed 'experts' expressed that opinion.
The largest international protest ever at that point was the protest against invading Iraq. I was part of it. The news pretended it was much much smaller than it was and said there couldn't be that many unpatriotic Americans.
Late 2002, my friends and I were at a demonstration in Philly, trying to stop the Iraq War. A cop told my friend that he hoped we’d all get hit by a bus
Chelsea Clinton notoriously marched against protesters while she was in Oxford and was making fun of them.
Literally witnessing 400K+ people on 8th avenue protesting the RNC in Manhattan in 2004 and then the entirety of the broadcast media establishment and almost all major print publications at the time blank and memory hole it immediately.
MSNBC canceled Phil Donahue's show in 2003 even though it was the most-watched show on the network because Donahue wouldn't get on the invade-Iraq train. They replaced him with Jesse Ventura, who they fired for also opposing the war in Iraq.
A football star left a career full of money on the table to serve his country. He immediately found out the war was total bullshit, and after he started making a ruckus about it a US soldier shot him in the back of the head 'by mistake' ala Webb
Christ just remembered when an iraqi kid had both his arms blown off and kyra phillips kept asking "does he understand the reason for operation iraqi freedom???" Liberated the fuck out of his arms
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We all got tax cut checks for like $400 a couple of times during those years and people were like, "I'm a financial conservative but socially liberal!"
I bought an XBox.
I bought salvia over the internet with that money
What about the anti drug campaign that suggested that buying weed contributed to international terrorism?
someone got the contract to sell bomb detectors to iraq there were very expensive magical sticks. They were novelty golf ball detectors
My husband was offered a job the morning of 9/11. About 5 hours after the attack, they rescinded the job offer because of "economic uncertainty." From then on, companies used "economic uncertainty" as an excuse to no longer provide wage increases, decent benefits, or good jobs.
Attempts to trademark "Let's Roll!"
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The constant presence of military recruiters in my rural Ohio high school.
Same from south Florida. They just loooove recruiting in poor title 1 schools.
The only standardized test my school ever prepared us to take was the ASVAB military aptitude test.
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Never gonna forget that a radio company with 1000+ owned stations drew up a list of songs deemed "morally questionable" to play in this era, p much singlehandedly killing Rage Against the Machine's career
Richard Gere getting booed at the Concert for New York when he called for compassion and understanding.
Guantanamo also used Metallica’s Enter Sandman for torture and James Hetfield said he was “honored.” “It's strong; it's music that's powerful. It represents something that they don't like — maybe freedom, aggression… I don't know… freedom of speech.”
Country radio literally sacrificed it's #1 selling act to pander to the pro-war Bush Administration. The Dixie Chicks had the #1 single on the Billboard charts ("Traveling Soldier" a song about a teenager dying in a pointless foreign war and the broken hearted girl he left behind.) when Natalie Maines told a London audience that they "were ashamed the president is from Texas."
Yep. Also, the women had recently sued Sony, their label, accusing them of “systematic thievery” in a breach of contract dispute. I long thought that had as much to do with the industry turning on them as anything. Powerful women shaking a patriarchal industry.
It is still amazing to me how relentlessly they were crushed, and crushed in a way they have never recovered from.
Me too. I worked in the industry at the time. I vividly remember it. They were the NUMBER ONE ACT in country music. Never have I ever remembered the music industry systematically destroying a commercially successful act like this.
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They banned or edited p much any movie or tv episode for a while that had a building being destroyed Like an episode of pokemon had a giant tentacruel smash a building and it was banned
every stand-up special for years had a jokeless, virtue-signalling digression about 9/11. Stuart Lee did it the best though, where he just did a sobering jokeless 4 minutes straight on the horror of 9/11 and then without pause launched directly into a joke that has nothing to do with it.
reshoot the entire ending of one of the Spiderman movies cause it was on the WTC
like for some reason it was decided we had to "Never Acknowledge the World Trade Center ever existed"
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The first season of 24 was made before 9/11 and came out just months after. Its villains were Serbian. There was a fakeout where Jack Bauer threatened to torture someone - even just the bluff was pretty edgy since torture used to be what only bad guys did...
Season 1: one interrogation, one threat of torture
Season 2 came out the next year Its villains were Arab The stakes were all nukes and worse now that it was post-9/11 Torture became normalized as a way to get answers. To this day, torture in all sorts of media is still used by people we’re meant to identify with...
Season 2: nine interrogations and at least seven included torture
Scalia, a supreme court justice, cites the show Jack Bauer in regards to a Supreme court decision.
US interrogators began using so many '24' techniques that US Army Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan, dean of West Point, flew to California to meet with the team behind "24." He met Joel Surnow, the show's creator and a self-described "right-wing nut," to voice hisc oncern that the show's central political premise – that the letter of American law must be sacrificed for the country's security – was having a toxic effect by promoting unethical and illegal behavior and had adversely affected the training and performance of real American soldiers. "I'd like them to stop," Finnegan said of the show's producers.
According to British lawyer and writer Sands, Jack Bauer—played by Kiefer Sutherland—was an inspiration at early “brainstorming meetings” of military officials at Guantánamo in September 2002. Diane Beaver, the staff judge advocate general who gave legal approval to 18 controversial interrogation techniques including waterboarding, sexual humiliation and terrorizing prisoners with dogs, told Sands that Bauer “gave people lots of ideas.”
Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security chief, gushed in a panel discussion on “24” organized by the Heritage Foundation that the show”reflects real life.”
John Yoo, the former Justice Department lawyer who produced the so-called "torture memos"—simultaneously redefining both the laws of torture and of logic—cites Bauer in his book “War by Other Means.”
Gary Solis, a retired law professor who designed and taught the Law of War for Commanders curriculum at West Point, told the New Yorker that his students would frequently refer to Jack Bauer in discussions of what permissible in the questioning of terrorist suspects. "Jack Bauer is a criminal. In real life, he would be prosecuted." Yet the motto of many of his students was identical to Jack Bauer's: "Whatever it takes."
There was a "debate" over whether it was okay for the US to torture people, which reached its apotheosis when a prominent conservative columnist, who had been relentlessly pro-torture, had himself waterboarded and suddenly decided torture was bad
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They nominated a guy to head the department of homeland security that turned out to have mob ties.
The speaker of the house was a pedophile wrestling coach
The Vice President told a senator to "Go Fuck Yourself" on the floor of the capital after the senator apologized for having to investigate ties from the VPs office to the company he was CEO of.
The VP also shot a man in the face (and was rumored to be drunk out of his mind when he did it) and forced him to apologize for getting shot.
Strom Thurmond dies @ 100 yo. Immediately a 78 year old woman reveals that he was her father and her mother was Thurmonds maid who he raped when she was a minor and he was in his 20’s. He ran a top segregationist Republican.
An anti-gay Republican Senator is caught trying to get a blow job from a man in an airport bathroom. He then tried to claim it was all a misunderstanding. He claimed he was just tapping his foot, leaving out the part where he was reaching under the stall divider
Bush’s AIDS czar, Randall Tobias, mandated that organizations oppose prostitution in order to receive American aid. It later emerged that Randy was a client of the D.C. Madam, though he claimed he only bought “massages”
A fake reporter named Jeff Gannon asked a softball question at a Bush press conference. He was later revealed to be a gay porn star working for a rightwing site owned by a Texas-based Republican activist. He made 200 trips to the WH with 14 cases where his entry or exit were missing from the logs.
In the era of the patriot act being discussed, the Attorney General freaked out about a statue of justice having tits and draped a bedsheet over her so no one could see them sweet marble breasts.
Loads of replies but while I see John Ashcroft got mentioned for covering up marble boobs, I haven't yet seen folks using the excellent opportunity to remind people that he ended up as AG despite losing a senate election to a dead guy
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Bush giving a speech on 9/26 where he healed a broken nation with the immortal words, “Fly and enjoy America's great destination spots. Get down to Disney World in Florida.” yes. as a nation we were instructed to get back to the malls and go shopping
A week after 9/11 Bush calls the war against Afghanistan "a crusade."
The Bush administration was fucking wild, and often just deleted shredded lots of stuff the moment there was a FOIA request. They routinely framed journalists making FOIA requests as terrorist enablers.
After Democrats spent years thinking Karl Rove was a master genius, it turned out he just knew a good hacker and had been forwarding DNC emails. Magically once the hacker was caught Rove's political analysis became useless.
The guy put in charge of Iraqs economy thought the answer to dealing with widespread hunger and deprivation was the free market. He created investment firms to try and get capital to factories in a literal war zone and then got confused why no one was investingHe then gave some money to lots of iraqis as a begrudging welfare program, but he did it through single use credit cards. 90% of Iraqs phone lines were down and accordingly no one could process payments from the cards.
We put a half dozen kids the heritage foundation didn't think were good enough to hire themselves in charge of Iraqs $16b national budget. We had a doctor who created surgical dick lengthening procedures act as our representative to the lead religious authority in Iraq.
The vetting process for people running the iraq war was based entirely on how optimistic they were. Several people, including die hard military hawks like Jim Webb, were ignored roundly because they accurately stated any war with Iraq would be a moronic boondoggle.
Something like a third of all the white house appointees were graduates of unaccredited christian colleges and many of the HR issues that resulted from that nutty af atmosphere are still sealed.
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We all put yellow ribbons on our cars to support the troops even though the troops weren't hostages.
It was subtle but when everyone felt the need to put a flag on their car and no one wanted to be the first one to remove it so by like 2005 or so everyone had these raggedty shitty flags everywhere
Some congressperson got in trouble for forgetting to put on a flag pin. Might have been Waxman in CA.
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They acted like that one person who's son died in Iraq was a crazy lady for sitting outside W's ranch for weeks on end as a protest.
Sadomasochist Mousketeer Brittney Spears gave an interview on national television while chewing gum saying we should all just trust the President about Iraq.
It was madness. It remains.
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Re: Early September
This is from 2004. I'm sticking this here to go with the post above.
The US also did plenty of bulldozer killing in the First Gulf War
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/403521/in-the-middle-of-iraq-its-gaming-gaming-gaming-for-the-american-military/ wrote:In the Middle of Iraq, it's Gaming, Gaming, Gaming for the American Military
CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) – Soon after the battle for Fallujah ended in November, U.S. Marines brought their Xbox consoles, Gameboys and laptops forward and started fighting the Covenant hordes in “Halo,” Mario and Luigi’s worst enemies and those irksome roommates from “The Sims.”
At the Marine base several kilometers (miles) southeast, high-speed wires snake down hallways, through doors and out windows. The Navy engineers play “Half-Life 2.” At the gym, where seven Playstations get heavy use, Marines wage “Madden NFL 2005” tournaments. “Neverwinter Nights” reigns in the public affairs office.
Games are as ubiquitous at Camp Fallujah and around it as tattoos, buzz cuts and shouts of “Hoorah” from one Marine to another. When the power goes out, a Humvee battery and a pair of alligator clips are all the resourceful gamer needs to resume the digitized fight.
At the post-exchange in Camp Fallujah, a stack of Playstations and Xboxes share an aisle with DVD players, televisions and microwave ovens.
The “Game Zone” sits in the corner, stocked with some 20 game titles across the aisle from racks full of box sets from the band Nirvana and DVDs of the 70s TV comedy “Three’s Company.”
“Everything we get in sells right out. Entertainment is entertainment,” said Staff Sgt. Franklin Williams, an exchange specialist at the P/X. “They like the latest games – military games, car games, everything with speed.”
Thirty copies of “Halo 2” disappeared in hours. Some soldiers bought the game even though they didn’t even have an Xbox, while others bought an Xbox just so they could play.
Few people had purchased the puzzle game “Tetris Worlds” or “The Hobbit,” which is aimed at kids. Rows of Nintendo’s “Metroid Prime: Echoes” for the GameCube console went untouched, probably because the Xbox and Playstation are far more popular here.
“I always talk to people about all kinds of positive, pleasant events that they can use,” said Lt. Erin Simmons, a psychologist with Bravo Surgical Company. “I’ve heard some people say they like to play the video games with the aggressive military content."
Psychologists who treat combat stress recommend video games for Marines to unwind and boost morale.
It also helps alleviate homesickness. A “Morale, Welfare and Recreation” center just off the gym is filled with Playstation 2 consoles.
The activity is highly social as service personnel place bets on the outcome of sports games and jeer at one another during multiplayer rounds of “Halo.”
“In a game, you can die and press start and go all over again. This is a little bit different,” said Sgt. James Atakoglu, 28, who drove a bulldozer during the massacre at Fallujah, often smashing down buildings where insurgents were believed to be hiding. “I don’t think games are going to have a dozer crashing into a building.”
The US also did plenty of bulldozer killing in the First Gulf War
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/14/iraq.features111 wrote:
On February 25 1991 the war correspondent Leon Daniel arrived at a battlefield at the tip of the neutral zone between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Daniel was one of a pool of journalists who had been held back from witnessing action the previous day, when Desert Storm's ground war had been launched. There, right where he was standing, 8,400 soldiers of the US First Infantry Division - known as the Big Red One - had attacked an estimated 8,000 Iraqis with 3,000 Abrams main battle tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, Humvees and armoured personnel carriers.
Daniel had seen the aftermath of modest firefights in Vietnam. "The bodies would be stacked up like cordwood," he recalled. Yet this ferocious attack had not produced a single visible body. It was a battlefield without the stench of urine, faeces, blood and bits of flesh. Daniel wondered what happened to the estimated 6,000 Iraqi defenders who had vanished. "Where are the bodies?" he finally asked the First Division's public affairs officer, an army major. "What bodies?" the major replied.
Months later, Daniel and the world would learn why the dead had eluded eyewitnesses, cameras and video footage. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers, some of them firing their weapons from first world war-style trenches, had been buried by ploughs mounted on Abrams tanks. The tanks had flanked the lines so that tons of sand from the plough spoil had funnelled into the trenches. Just behind the tanks, straddling the trench line, came Bradleys pumping machine-gun bullets into Iraqi troops.
"I came through right after the lead company," said Colonel Anthony Moreno.]'What I saw was a bunch of filled-in trenches with people's arms and legs sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands'
Two other brigades used the same tank-mounted ploughs and Bradleys to obliterate an estimated 70 miles of defensive trenches. They moved swiftly. The operation had been rehearsed repeatedly, weeks before, on a mile-long trench line built according to satellite photographs. The finishing touches were made by armoured combat earth-movers (ACEs). These massive bulldozers, with armoured cockpits impervious to small-arms fire, smoothed away any hint of the carnage. "A lot of guys were scared, but I enjoyed it," said PFC Joe Queen, an ACE driver awarded a Bronze Star for his performance in the battle.
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